More Model-C questions and random photos!

10/14/2008

Jim C's Model-C

Okay, here is a few more random photos that I just found from the weekend I built up my Model-C. It was fun just dorking around on it and it was even more fun when you realized everything was possible on it. Just a few more questions.

1) If you had to choose 2 top tube lengths to offer which ones would it be?
2) From the sounds of it, you guys aren’t interested in a 21″, would this be correct thought?

Please leave all the answers in the comments section! Thanks again!

Interact: 77 Comments
Categories: Freestyle, Photos, Product
Tags: 24", cruiser, jim cielencki, Model C, Plus 4

ed

i think a 21.25 and a 22.25, i know an inch is a big jump but having read the comments it seems people either want it real short or real long, anyway theres loads of 21.5 cruisers about
21.25 keeps the dimensions of a big bmx and 22.25 one-ups the largest twenty frames for all the lanky peeps! or just those wanting a bit more room….like me!
strappy

You should change the name from MODLE C to SUNDAY 24-7 AS in 24" size & hours in a day. 7 as in day in a week.
Anonymous

1) 21.5" & 22.5" Top tubes

Keep it set up for street only bigger.
Burd

I’ve been waiting for this bike for years. Hurry up and make ‘em!
limitless

21.75 & 22.5

not at all interested in a 21

hope that helps

would really like shorter stays and a wave dt too
Anonymous

love the photos jim, cheers for the update – nice to see the double peg & hang 5, kudos 4 the high bb, just give it some nice tight stays and make the handling really snappy!
as far as sizes go i'd def only be interested in something over 21.7, currently got a haro backtrail24 which has this length of tt and i def want more, 22 or 22.25 sounds good
also i wondered what the offset on the forks is gonna be, i recently got some primo strands for my 20 (mutiny eden 21.25) which have a real short 13mm offset and i love em, totally transformed the front end feel – super lively and easy to hang 5, i hope the 24 forks are no more than 25mm…
can't wait to have big-wheeler i can actually do tricks on, hope it all pans out
Anonymous

21.75 and 22.5
21 is too short for a bike with 24″ wheels IMO,
been considering a cruiser for a while as a basic runaround, but would be cool to have one i could ride seriously as well
be cool if you made one as far away from the stereo typical cruiser geo as possible ie, make the handling as close to being like a 20 as possible cept with more room
i’m only 5’7 but for sure want 21.75 tt on a cruiser (already got a 21tt on my bmx, i’ve tried a 21.5 cruiser and was pretty good but could go 4 even more), 22.5 for all u nba hopefuls – would of thought a decent handling cruiser would be perfect for all u josh harringtons, etc – probaly look like a normal bmx!!!
cantwait4cruiser!

22 toptube is good for me on a twenty, so at least 22.3 for my cruiser….which i'll hopefully be getting next year, god willing!
can't wait 4 another update!
i say
22.3 & 21.5
& sub 15" stays
& wave down-tube
& shorter seat-tube/sloped tt
& black magic/brakeless options
& small fork offset, sub 30mm
can’twaitfor24!

check the new khe one – that looks nic cept for the too short tt, and crazy long stays, but the sloped tierra style frame looks really modern & freestyle, which is what i'm after
goldenoldie

21.9 & 22.5
love it!
alex

Hey Jim,
Can’t wait to get one of these, there just what i’ve been waiting for by the sounds of it.
As far as sizing goes put me down for a 22.5″ toptube, and perhaps offer a 21.5″ toptube for shorter guys, although i believe you mentioned 21 was good for you – so maybe do that too.
Personally being 6’4 with size 14 feet – i’m not interested in anything less than 22 on a cruiser, hence why i have yet to buy one (and these 24mtbs don’t make any sense geometrically to me either – for street/park/trails use at least) really hope sunday saves me from having to go down the cuctom route.
BTW – what i’m after is a legitimate, modern freestyle orientated 24″ wheeled BMX not an old skool race “cruiser” or fashion accessory…
alex

…ergo; i think shorter stays and seat-tube are a must – for greater agility and easier trick pullery!
Anonymous

21, 21.5 & 22
not interested in 21 but seems others are, need at least 3 sizes
i'd buy a 22
kieran

I reckon you should make 2 seperate 24" frames:

An old-skoolish trails/cruising classic
&
A modern "new wave" street/park XL-BMX

Old-kool klassic:
21.75" & 22.75" tt
14.75" cs(slammed)
74 degree headtube
71 degree seattube
No wave downtube
chainstay brakemounts
12" seattube
12.75" bottom bracket
olive and silver
35mm offset forks

Newave street Bruiser:
21.25" & 22.25" tt
14.25" cs (slammed)
75 degree headtube
71 degree seattube
wave downtube
removeable seatstay mounts
9" seattube
13.25" bottom bracket
Aaron Ross red & Post-it note yellow
24mm offset forks

just an idea….
M. E. Davis

The big question: Will Odyssey be making the 7KAs in a 24?

Whaddup?
mattyL

i want 24 ribcages…
like the idea of a "street bruiser" also; make it as far removed from the typical cruiser as poss, ie: super short stays/seatube, high bb, steep headtube, brakeless option and a decent range of toptubes; 21.25, 21.75 & 22.25
not interested in a 21 – far too short IMO
marcus from france

WOW !
These are great! I'd definately buy one.
hope i'm not too late to offer some input….
As far as sizes go i'd be thinking it terms of an inch longer than the 20's, so if you could only offer 2 sizes of twenty inch frame what would you do? + an inch – if that makes sense!
for me a 22.25 would be ideal as i currently ride a 21.25 BMX
sooo my vote of sizes would be 21.5 & 22.25
wouldn't buy a 21 as it'd be too cramped
also i'd love to try a 24 with the high bb AND super short 14" stays like alot of the modern DJ mtbs have – would definately sperate the sunday from all the other 24 bikes out there
can't wait to hear more, keep up the good work!
marcus

found this on sprfls, thought it might be of interest…

"Sort of lost in the shuffle lately was the Sunday Model-C.

Cruisers have always been the proverbial red-headed stepchild of the BMX world—most people either go 20" or urban MTB—mostly because there's never been a real effort to produce a true street cruiser. There was the Nyquist Backtrail, I suppose, and Standard technically offered a 24" TRLS-250, although I've never seen one. Bontrager offered a pretty tough chromoly cruiser as well. And both Standard and S&M have always made race cruisers that could serve double duty. (If you want deeper cruiser history, try this from 2001.)

But the Sunday is something different. Different angles and what I assume to be a very different feel. Judging from the photos and words on the Sunday site (except this one which is obviously faked), the Model-C is intended to just be a bigger BMX brother. And with Odyssey making 24" Hazard Lites and Sunday making cruiser forks (and taller-than-most cruiser bars), there are finally legit options for the big-but-not-quite-that-big-wheel crowd.

The funny thing is, I recently sold my cruiser. I had an old S&M Widowmaker that was mostly gathering dust—so little time, so many bikes. But it wasn't just that. The geometry was just plain wrong. Switching from the 20" to the 24" meant leaning way further back for manuals and pulling up that much harder to hop. Low bars and a low bottom bracket and long chainstays made for comfortable cruising and stable sprinting, but that was about it. (I won't even get into the shafted stem and crookedly welded rear triangle.)

Long story short is, I'm pretty excited about the Model-C. It makes a lot more sense to me than something like the Deuce-Deuce for the height-unchallenged set. Now all Sunday has to do is assemble a mighty team of sky-scraping riders (Neil Harrington? Gary Ellis? Catfish?) to put them through their paces. Or I guess they could just send me one.* I may only be six feet, but I ride much, much taller.**"

like the idea of the super tall team…LOL!
Anonymous

21.75 & 22.5

no 21 for me

hope you do these…..
Gio

hey jim,
hope i'm not too late to give my 2 cents, been meaning to check these out – look pretty nice, i've been thinking alot about 24 geo recently was thinking of trying to get solid or s&m to make me a 24 specific frame with
22.25" toptube
14" stays (all the way in)
13" bb
9" seattube
75 h/a, 71 s/a
having ridden ALOT of 24 "freestyle" bikes – they all come up short, what's needed is a totally balls out giant BMX and it sounds as if this was the intention with the model-c, really hope u take it a step further and give it more than just a high bb
sizes should be:
21.5, 22.25
21 will be too small for any one over 5.10, with larger than size 10feet(the main market for a bigger bmx is gonna be bigger people)
really hope you save me the trouble of going down the custom route, gonna hold out cos sunday is one of my favorite brands…
ciao!!!
Anonymous

21.25, 21.5 are fairly common cruiser sizes. My S&M RV cruiser handles the ramp parks and dirt ramps just fine. No feeble grinds on that bike though. Who does grinds anyways?
Anonymous

21.5, 22, 22.5 TT lengths! Please make one with a freewheel option :) Not everyone likes cassettes and saves on cost. Full cromo no High ten. crap. Adjustability on the dropouts instead of micros. 14.25 chainstay on the short side. The cruiser market seems to just not be there anymore. Ryanzlx@aol.com
Anonymous

21.25tt/Frame and Fork option PLEASE!
john mccabe

id like to see a 21.5 and a 22
Anonymous

21.6 and 22.3(personally won’t buy anything under 22)
please shorten the rear end also; as there are no cruisers with nice short chainstays, 24djmtbs have got them down to 14.25….surely a freestyle cruiser should go at least that short…..
Anonymous

i think 21 and 22 tt, but deff a shorter back end.
Jamie

Are those tires going to be for sale? if so when and how much?? i am very interested in getting a pair or 2 of those.