More Model-C questions and random photos!

10/14/2008

Jim C's Model-C

Okay, here is a few more random photos that I just found from the weekend I built up my Model-C. It was fun just dorking around on it and it was even more fun when you realized everything was possible on it. Just a few more questions.

1) If you had to choose 2 top tube lengths to offer which ones would it be?
2) From the sounds of it, you guys aren’t interested in a 21″, would this be correct thought?

Please leave all the answers in the comments section! Thanks again!

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George

i think a 21.25 would be better.
Anonymous

hey could you make this frame into a sjngle speed dirt jumper
Anonymous

i think a 21.25 and 21.75 would be best
Anonymous

22″ and 22.5″ TT lengths

the whole bike just looks amazing.
Anonymous

a black frame and parts 21.5
Anonymous

a 26″ version also.
that could pull in the fixey guys also.
giving a little more bike and a lot more fun.
because at the end of the day everyone, no matter what type of bike, wants to do skids and pop-a-wheels.

bob
Hiram C

I’m thinking 21.75 up to whatever you guys think. might as well please as many people as possible. also, i know this is a stretch, but what if you were to make the frame with the TT and Back end flow straight, like the dirt jumper frames. gives it more of a laid back street style. and by the size of it compared to you it looks pretty sweat. hell ya i’d buy one. Oh and different color ways.

thanks
me

1) 21″ and 22″ (a stretch between the two, but seems like a good compromise). any longer and i’d think it would start to feel like a ship.

2) i’d be all over a 21. sounds perfect. hoping there will be a 21…

the green is sweet… but really, color isn’t a deciding factor on what bike to buy, for me. barbi pink with tassels on the bars? eff it, if the geometry feels right, i’ll rock it.
adrian

I know you said 2 but…
21.25, 21.75 & 22.25

If it has to be 2, i guess 21.25 & 22.25 would cater to the greatest array of tastes.

I think at least one size should be 22 or more to cater for the tall guys with big feet this bike is obviously going to appeal to.

21 for those under 6ft and 22 for those over 6ft, or maybe 21 for those under 30 and 22 for those over!!! Gotta take bad backs into consideration!

Hopefully if the first lot sell well you can offer a wider variety like with the 20s, but to start with i would say go with the 2 extreme ends of the spectrum

cheers for the update/pics and for giving us riders a say
Anonymous

21.5 & 22.5
looks so much fun, i'd need 22+ though…
any word on the stays, wave and seatube length…
so hyped!
how about the intergrated chain tensioners and removeable brake mounts (or brakeless option…)
Mark

21.9 & 22.3
I'd actually consider buying one of each, 21.9 brakeless for street/park nibbling/abuse and 22.3 for trails, big jumps, commuting and of course cruising!
Please lose an inch off the rear end though…
Marsh

I doubt Ill be able to buy one, but a 22.5 would be worth it, However Id be more interested in chrome wombolts.

Also does this frame pave the way for a sunday street mtb?
bigben

get a few different sizes built then take them to a skatepark and let people see which ones they prefer the feel of. most bmx riders will be taking stabs in the dark with tt sizing on a 24″ bike, plus with the higher bb its not going to be exactly comparable with the feel of a 24″ mtb
Anonymous

i like the feel of the 22.2 on my bike so maybe a top tube length similar to that ?

also shorter chain-stays would be nice and a brakeless option
Anonymous

21.5 for a smaller size, shorter dudes.

22.5 for the larger, for taller dudes / people like me with a bad back.

I will buy one for sure for local getting aroundness if one comes out in at least 22.5
Anonymous

from the sounds of it the 21 sounds a little short, I think starting with a 21.5 and a 22 would be good, i think more than .5 may be too big of a gap
swede

22.5

please dont make cruiser geometry! i wont buy it as cruisers are wack, but make it so it cud take a low suspension fork (60mm) and 3 inch rise bars and i wud defo purchase
G-money

“Also does this frame pave the way for a sunday street mtb?”

i fucking hope not, mountain bikes are for mountains and are plain impractical for streets.
street mtbing is a more expensive and less practical and progressive version of bmx.

i’d say a 21.5 and 22.5
Anonymous

I’d prefer a 21″ as well, seems perfect. There are already plenty of 24s out there in larger sizes.
Anonymous

22 all the way
Anonymous

I’m 6’1″ and have a 21.5TT on my 24″ BMX now. It’s not too short, but it’s not agile enough to spin easily either (not just because of the TT length, but that’s part of the problem).

For a “freestyle” cruiser, I’d want it shorter, or the same with steeper HT and higher BB. 22″ is way too long.

Don’t cave on this. You’ve ridden it. You know it’s good.
bp

so i guess this is my question. judging by the pictures, you are wanting this bike to be more of a free-ride bike. like the mountain bikers trying to ride big wheeled bikes like bmxers (not hating).

question is…are you trying to make a bike for bmxers to cruise to the store on? or are you trying to cross over to the free-ride community? if that is the case i would not ask bmxers what they want out of this frame. i would go to the mtb forums.
toby

21.75 & 22.25
shorter stays buy keep it BMX
Longer tt is definately more applealing as the whole reason i wanna ride 24 is cos i feel too cramped on a twenty, but do NOT want a mtb – the clues in the word "mountain"
I ride street & park not mountains.
hope you do a black colour…
Will definately buy one if theres a 22" tt
toby

“question is…are you trying to make a bike for bmxers to cruise to the store on? or are you trying to cross over to the free-ride community?”

How about just making a legit freestyle orientated 24 – you do not need suss forks or slack head angles for street/park/trails.
toby

p.s. Love the afro!
LocalRedHead

22.5 TT.

14.XX chainstays.

I’ll pre-order that.
Anonymous

Ideally 21, 21.5, 22 & 22.5

But if only 2 – 21.25 & 22.25

This is obviosly not intended as anything like a mtb or mtbmx (which IMO are the most confused bikes ever! It's like they can't take the plunge and be proper big BMXes so they settle for HUGE gaps between tyre and fork and downright odd looks)

If you ride a rigid, singlespeed, 24wheeled "mtb" with 1 or no brakes – it's not really a fuckin mtb is it. This is exactly why we need a bike like the model C mtbmxes are getting ever closer to this – a company like Sunday needs to step up and say "For fucks sake lets do this properly" and make a XXL BMX – stop fucking about with all this wishy washy slack angled, lowBB bullshit.

We need a proper 24 with proper 24 forks and BMX geo – cept bigger.

Also people need to get over all this cruiser bashing and put function b4 bloody fashion
Anonymous

one 21+ and one 22+
personally i’d want a 22.5, but will buy anything 22+
Really looking forward to getting one of these, finally someones doing it!
however cos of my height i’ll have to leave it if theres nothing over 22

Also just wanted to say;
I care nothing for wheel size – they all have their merits, but…if you ride suss and discs on park, street and trails – your an idiot – leave our shit alone. A place for everthing and everything in it’s place…

sorry, but i had to get it off my chest
Anonymous

LocalRedHead said…
“22.5 TT.

14.XX chainstays.

I’ll pre-order that.”

Ditto.
Jason

I’d like to see a 21 and a 21.5 version. Chain stay length and BB sound PERFECT!! Please don’t change those.
Anonymous

21.5 and 22
rich

1) 20.75, and 21.25
2)personally no, i would ride a 21.25 and if only 2 fame sizes were available then id rather see a smaller frame size to go with the 21.25
Anonymous

You should make it a mountain bike frame!
Anonymous

26″ would be amazing for a commuter. 24″ is great too.

21″ top tube for the 24″ please!
ian

21 and 22 sounds like a good compromise that would please the most people,
but if you could do 21,21.5,22 & 22.5 that would cater 4 pretty much everyone

put me down for a 22+
ian

also can we pleaaassse have shorter stays and a brakeless option – make it hardcore!
henry

1) 21.75 & 22.25

2) Not interested in 21 or anything under 22 really, athough it looks so nice and sounds sooo good – really hope u make a 22

p.s. sub 15" chainstays would seal the deal for me
– also i'd love a wave dt and black colour and brakeless options
dan meron

I ride a 21.5" 20wheeler & 22.5 26wheeler for freestyle, ergo; for me i want a 24 to be between these, thus:
21.75 & 22.25 are my choices and from past experience i'd rather stick pins in my eyes than go back to a 21!
In my experience longer toptubes don't alter the handling of a bike drastically – they just make riding more comfortable and therefore allow me to ride for longer, harder with less pain the following day.
I also find my movement feels less restricted with a longer tt, meaning i feel more fluid/stylish and my movements more explosive as i have better leverage and feel less constricted. Haven't really explained that too well but suffice to say that in my opinion longer tts feel gr8!!!
Also i know it's shear vanity but i don't like the thought of looking too big for a bike, if i feel like i look ridiculous on a bike i feel self-conscious and un-stylish and that obviously affects how much fun i have.
I'm 5'11" BTW (average height), can't imagine what it must be like being say 6'4" & trying to find an ergonomically practical freestyle bike…and theres alot of tall riders out there…

Thanks for asking Jim!
Anonymous

1 – 21.5 and 22.5

2 – already have a 21.25 BMX

It seems silly to me to give a big wheeled bike the same length toptube as 90% of modern 20 frames, and in fact shorter than alot.
In terms of dimensions cruisers should start where 20′s stop, i know of 3 22″(macneil deuce deuce, dk r/t, urie dog)20 frames and 3 21.5″ 20 frames (mutiny vape, fit lurch, subrosa09) and god knows how many 21.25s
(and if your less than 6ft just stick with a 20 if u wanna keep a short wheelbase, let us tall guys have our bikes – we’re seriously badly catered for in the freestyle world)
theres no way i’d wanna ride 24″ wheels with less than 22″ up front – and I really do wanna ride 24s – especially with the high bb and tight head angle
cheer for giving us some input jim
Anonymous

21.5 and 22.5

Short stays!

I don’t care about the mtb or mtbmx being like bmx non-sense. I have a 20 and I have an xc mountain bike. I would like a decent 24″ cruiser too. There isn’t a decent one yet, I hope you will have the first. Put me on the list if it works out!
Anonymous

21″ please.
James

I think 21, 22 and 22.5 would be good sizes. I rode a Redline Proline for a while and it had a 21.8 tt. I am 6′ 2″ and it felt really good with a regular stem and 8″ bars. The back end was too long for my liking though.

So 21.8 tt and 14.25 to 14.75 backend would be my choice.

Anyway, that’s my 2 cents. Good luck with the frame.

J
Hiram C

21.75 and 22.5 would be the best. laid back more would be the icing on the cake.
Anonymous

shorter stays!

21.50 and 22.25. I could ride a 22 or a 22.5, but I’d prefer 22.25.

But seriously, these frames are going to be built up custom by fussy dudes with ok-sized wallets: in the long run .25″ increments from 21 to 23 will probably be the demand.

i ride brakes.

cheers from Brooklyn
tom

21.5 & 22.5
ride a custom solid aa with 22" toptube so i'd want my cruiser to be longer.
21.5 for all the shorter dudes
also i definately think shorter stays (at least 14.75) are a must, it seems a bit halfhearted to give it such a high bb which must liven the handle dramatically and then give it typical cruiser stays.
At least build a prototype with really short stays and see how it feels…
Other than that i love it and as long as it comes in a 22+ size i'll definately be purchasing
george

21.75 and 22.5 get my vote
as do the 14″ stays
will

Personally i'd want a toptube of 22 inchs or more, 22.3 sounds pretty perfect, not at all interested in a 21 but would of thought shorter guys would be (i'm 6'2 BTW) so if you can only make 2 it's got to be one at each end of the spectrum
21.3 & 22.3, but really i reckon 3 sizes would suit more people
21.3, 21.9 & 22.3
Cant wait to buy the finished frame, really hoping this will make cruisers cool again
my first bike was a haro cruiser and i have gr8 memorys of being able to use it for everything and therefore have soo much fun. currently got a 20 (fit hawk with a 21.25tt – too cramped) and a 26 evil DOC (23"tt – too long but only just) but if a decent 24 came on the market i reckon i'll sell those 2 and use my 24 for everthing
ahhh the nostalgia
Anonymous

If i had the money to get one of these (one thy hit the local shops), i would want any top tube size between 21″ and 22.75″.

Colours would be black, white or fluro a ross colours (i know they are not a part of the topic but still).

As far as i’m concerned, cruisers were made for taller riders who thought that the traditional bmx with a massive top tube felt more like a trails frame rather than anything else – pay more attention to the taller riders because there are a lot of them out there that “feel alone in the top tube world below 21″.

if all else fails then you could have the frame geometry custom made to the customers standard and hire some guy to make them by hand.
It would cost a fair bit more but it’s worth it in the long run eh?
lance

being 6'6 i defenately need at least 22 inches up front; so a 22.5 for us giants, a 21.9 for the average size folk (between 5'10 – 6'2) and a 21.25 for you guys less than 5'10, but to be honest if your less than 5'10 theres really not much point in riding a cruiser anyway – for tricks and jumping at least, and if you literally do just want a cruising bike then the extra room will be nice and comfy!
personally i want a freestyle bike that fits my stature like a 21tt 20 does an average sized guy – theres currently nothing available that fits the bill! really exited bout the model-c tho, fingers crossed!
theres a plethora of 20 wheeled frames for u shorter fellas, thus my two sizes would be:

21.9 & 22.5

i really do think that you need at least 3 sizes to cater to everyone though…
Anonymous

21.5″ and 22.25″ toptubes
and i know u didn’t ask but…
my 2 cents…
14.25″ slammed rear end length
75 degree head-tube
71 degree seat-tube
13.5″ bottom bracket height
Wave down-tube
brakeless options or removable mounts
intergrated chain tensioners
olive, black magic or aaron ross fluro red
sub 6lb frame, sub 3lb fork (25mm offset on the fork BTW)
most important of all……
……LIFETIME WARRANTY!!!
p.s. tell george french 24″ ribcages would be sooooo hot!

cheers for getting behind this jim, keep up the good work – sunday rules!